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Question: "Separation
between Church and State." Who coined the Phrase? Give up? Answer:
Thomas Jefferson - one of the founding fathers of this great Nation and a creator of
the U.S. Constitution and the First Amendment to that same Constitution. Thomas Jefferson, in 1802, wrote a Letter to the Dansbury Baptist
Convention, referring to the First Amendment to the US Constitution. In it he said:
"Believing that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his
God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative
powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign
reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their Legislature
should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."
We will leave it up to the reader to determine whether
Rep Rand Paul has made serious errors in in judgment.
He has supported a Conservative
Far Right Christian position especially when it comes to Church and State issues. It
is apparent from the data collected, that the first amendment may be in danger from his
past and future actions as well as other constitutional sections. He has supported
deregulation of banks and the SEC causing the current economic Depression.
Rep. Paul's office stated that his position is that Certain Religions
aren't "Real" religions. What is a real religion, Mr.
Paul?
What you have been practicing? He says on the one hand that only certain Christian
denominations are valid. On the other hand he
blatantly follows a philosophy similar to Satanism in formulating
representation of his constituents. Read the following and remember: "By their Works may
they be known." This is a summary of information collected from several sources
about Rep. Rand Paul.
(Remember it is best to investigate on your own when
looking at allegations about anyone. Don't believe us, think for
yourself and investigate for yourself! And remember, the First Amendment Coalition
and Religious Freedom Coalition of the South East do not represent any political party nor
do we recommend any political candidate, nor are we involving ourselves in the political
process.)
Rand Paul is
Damned. That much is clear. But where and how? Dante neglected to
specify which circle of hell a soul is consigned to after betraying the
American People with his selfish GOP Budget for the sake of Greed and politics.
Traitors are of course consigned to the innermost circles, ranging from traitors to their
kin, lords, country and benefactors. No space appears to have been left for traitors
to American Values.
The thought struck us that hell is long overdue for a make-over. The business of sin
has changed substantially since Dante's day. Not only are many of the sins archaic
(it seems doubtful at this point that Protestants are damned as schismatics) but as in the
Rand Paul case, Dante has failed to keep up with the times. What is the punishment
for TV evangelists Political Liars, Political Thieves
or for that matter for those take
advantage of the Poor and Homeless.
Whatever Rand's position, anyone who
betrays Americas Poor and Homeless in that calculating manner deserves the fate that Dante would
assign him: being trapped in ice up to the neck in the deepest pit of the Inferno,
where treachery against basic human bonds is punished and where Satan himself, once the
brightest of the rebel angels, beats his bat's wings.
Good Luck Rand Paul, Satan is coming for you
anytime now - he remembers when you sold your soul and he's coming to collect!!!
In
Politics, there are three kinds of lies: "Lies, Damn Lies, and
Rand Paul Tea Bag
Claims"
Excerpt from an article on
crooksandliars.com by David
July 03, 2011
Rand
Paul Promises
to Filibuster
Everything
Over
The Debt
Ceiling
"I
was part of a group this week that said,
'No more,'" Paul explained. "We're tired
of talking about extraneous issues.
We've had not one minute of debate about
the debt ceiling in any committee. We
haven't had a budget in two years. We
haven't had an appropriations bill in
two years."
"So
I'm part of the freshman group in the
Senate that's saying, 'no more.' We're
not going to let them go to any issue if
we have a say in it. We will filibuster
until we talk about the debt ceiling,
until we talk about proposals, and many
of us in the conservative wing are going
to present our own proposal next week.
And that is to raise the debt ceiling.
We will actually vote in favor of
raising the debt ceiling next week if we
can but it will be contingent upon
passing a balanced budget amendment."
A
Senate subcommittee on Primary Health
and Aging, chaired by Sen. Bernie
Sanders, held a hearing Tuesday on the
“human toll and budget consequences” of
senior hunger. Panelists shared tales of
woe from older Americans unable to get
enough food, and urged increased funding
for nutrition programs under the Older
Americans Act of 1965.
This might have been non-controversial a
few years ago, but not with the Tea
Party in town. The hearing produced a
fierce debate between Sanders, a
self-described democratic socialist, and
Sen. Rand Paul, the prototypical Tea
Partier, about whether the government
should even perform simple tasks like
feeding hungry senior citizens....
Mary Jane Koren, a geriatrician and
vice-president of the Commonwealth Fund,
noted that seniors often suffer health
problems and are put in nursing homes
after falling down. Poor nutrition leads
to decreased muscle strength, meaning a
higher chance of falling—and weaker
seniors are more likely to be gravely
injured in such a fall. Koren noted that
by 2020, the annual cost of medical care
for seniors who fall is expected to
reach $54.9 billion—many magnitudes more
than the approximately $2 billion per
year the federal government spends on
nutrition assistance for senior
citizens.
Sen. Paul, however, explicitly rejected
this logic. “It’s curious that only in
Washington can you spend $2 billion and
claim that you’re saving money,” he
said. “The idea or notion that spending
money in Washington somehow is saving
money really flies past most of the
taxpayers.” Instead, Paul touted the
“nobility of private charity” as opposed
to government-funded “transfer
programs.” He suggested privatizing
Meals on Wheels and other government
assistance for hungry seniors.
Sanders had none of this. “Senator Paul
has suggested that only in Washington
can people believe that spending money
actually saves money. And I think that’s
the kind of philosophy that results in
us spending about twice as much per
person on health care as any other
country on earth,” Sanders said. “We
have millions of millions of Americans
who can’t get to a doctor on time. Some
of them die, some of them become very,
very ill and end up in the emergency
room or end up in the hospital at great
cost.
“Maybe it’s the same reason why we have
more people in jail than any other
country on earth including China, tied
to the fact that we have the highest
poverty rate among children among many
other major countries on earth,” Sanders
continued. “I happen to believe that
intelligently investing in the needs of
our people does in fact save substantial
sums of money.”
In
providing this explanation of how social
investment works, and the consequences of
not making it, Sen. Sanders is making the
mistake of thinking that Sen. Paul a) has
the capacity to understand what his talking
about, and b) gives a shit that there are
people dying because they don't have health
care, or have to chose between it and
starving. It highlights the great divide
between the Republican party of 2011 and the
rest of us, a distinction elected Democrats
need to be calling out loudly and
repeatedly. But in the new austerity-driven
policy world, good luck with that.
Libertarian Rand Paul Is Suddenly Very Concerned
About The Right To Free Assembly
Excerpt from an article on Rand
Paul and Right to Assemble guaranteed by the
constitution at Think Progress.
Sen. Rand
Paul (R-Ky.) is usually described as a doctrinaire
libertarian, and in many of his policy complaints,
this is reliably borne out. For example, Paul is of
the opinion
that the Americans With
Disabilities Act is an egregious infringement on
liberty, when the
"common sense solution" is obviously to herd
wheelchair-bound workers to the first floor of every
office building.
That's what
Paul believes and he usually sticks to it. So I'm as
surprised as the next guy to learn that Paul now
believes that certain people should be jailed for
merely exercising their right to assemble under the
Constitution of the United States.
According to Alex
Seitz-Wald,
Paul's sudden shift on civil liberties all went down
on Sean Hannity's radio show last Friday:
PAUL: I'm not
for profiling people on the color of their skin,
or on their religion, but I would take into
account where they've been traveling and
perhaps, you might have to indirectly take into
account whether or not they've been going to
radical political speeches by religious leaders.
It wouldn't be that they are Islamic. But if
someone is attending speeches from someone who
is promoting the violent overthrow of our
government, that's really an offense that we
should be going after -- they should be deported
or put in prison.
Hey, now!
Suddenly we're deporting and jailing people for
attending speeches? Um ...
Paul's
suggestion that people be imprisoned or deported
for merely attending a political speech would be
a fairly egregious violation on the First
Amendment, not to mention due process. What if
someone attended a radical speech as a curious
bystander? Should they too be thrown in prison?
And who defines what is considered so "radical"
that it is worth imprisonment?
These are
good questions. I'd hate to see Rand Paul get
hoisted with his own petard.
(Dearie me! Am I even still allowed to talk about
petards
in public?)
Well,
what do the courts say about the matter? Here's
Glenn Greenwald:
Indeed, the
First Amendment not only protects the mere
"attending" of a speech "promoting the violent
overthrow of our government," but also the
giving of such a speech. The government is
absolutely barred by the Free Speech clause from
punishing people even for advocating violence.
That has been true since the Supreme Court's
unanimous 1967 decision in Brandenburg v.
Ohio, which overturned the criminal
conviction of a Ku Klux Klan leader who had
threatened violence against political officials
in a speech.
See, that's
what I thought. Naturally, I have no doubt that
somewhere out there someone is assembled in a
gathering of free citizens, listening to someone
discuss the violent overthrow of the government. I'm
not unconcerned about that, but the standard
libertarian line I grew up with was, "Those who
would give up essential liberty to purchase a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety."
At any rate,
there is already a criminal statute that penalizes
the agreement of a group to commit a criminal act --
it's called "conspiracy." It mainly focuses on
persons who are actively and overtly participating
in plans to commit a crime. I'm guessing that one
good way to evaluate whether or not a "radical
group" is going to escalate from merely talking
about overthrowing the government to actually
pursuing the furtherance of such a plan is to let
people freely attend that group's speeches without
fear that they'll be clapped in irons.
They
used to say that folks evolved once they got
on the Supreme Court. But I'm not sure we've
ever seen the kind of evolution Rand Paul's
undergone over less than 24 hours.
Let me
try to summarize.
1) I
don't support the Civil Rights Act but I
personally abhor discrimination.
2) I
would not support any effort to repeal the
Civil Rights Act.
3) I
believe in the Civil Rights Act and the
constitutional power to enforce it.
4) If I
would have been in the Senate at the time I
would have voted for the Civil Rights Act.
Any
guesses on number 5?
Probably
his remarks here to Blitzer that he still isn't
so sure about how he would have voted on the
Americans With Disabilities Act. And as Jed
pointed out over at KOS, apparently Paul doesn't
even know
what's in the law he
objects to:
Rand
Paul, explaining to Wolf Blitzer why he
objects to the Americans with Disabilities
Act:
Let's say you have a local office and
you have a two story office and one of
your workers is handicapped. Should you
not be allowed maybe to offer them an
office on the first floor, or should you
be forced to put in a hundred thousand
dollar elevator?
Sounds
reasonable, right? In fact, it's so
reasonable that the ADA
contains an exception
for that very situation.
Elevators are not required in:
(a)
private facilities that are less than
three stories or that have less than
3000 square feet per story unless the
building is a shopping center, a
shopping mall, or the professional
office of a health care provider, or
another type of facility as determined
by the Attorney General; or
(b)
public facilities that are less than
three stories and that are not open to
the general public if the story above or
below the accessible ground floor houses
no more than five persons and is less
than 500 square feet. Examples may
include, but are not limited to,
drawbridge towers and boat traffic
towers, lock and dam control stations,
and train dispatching towers.
So Rand
Paul opposes a law because he believes it
imposes a mandate that it does not in fact
impose. What an idiot.
No argument
there. Rand Paul looked like he was sucking on a
lemon during this interview, so I assume he
wasn't too happy to be there. He'd better get
used to it since this campaign is just getting
started.
Here's
another wrinkle in the controversy over U.S.
Senate candidate Rand Paul's arguments, made
Wednesday to NPR and Rachel Maddow, over
whether the Civil Rights Act was necessary
to prevent discrimination.
In a
May 30, 2002, letter to the Bowling Green
Daily News, Paul's hometown newspaper, he
criticized the paper for endorsing the Fair
Housing Act, and explained that "a free
society will abide unofficial, private
discrimination, even when that means
allowing hate-filled groups to exclude
people based on the color of their skin."
BLITZER: Two days after winning the
Republican Senate primary in Kentucky, the
darling of the tea party movement, Rand
Paul, is coming under some fire. Critics are
seizing on remarks he made about the civil
rights act of 1964, and his Democratic
opponent is accusing Rand Paul of promoting
what he calls a narrow and rigid ideology
with dangerous consequences. Joining us now
is the Republican Senate candidate from
Kentucky, Rand Paul. Dr. Paul, thanks very
much for coming in.
RAND
PAUL, (R) KENTUCKY SENATE CANDIDATE: Good to
be with you, Wolf.
BLITZER: I want to give you a chance to
explain because there's a lot of confusion
right now about precisely where you stand.
I'll ask you a simple question. If you had
been a member of the Senate or the house
back in 1964, would you have voted yea or
nay for the civil rights act?
PAUL:
Yes, I would have voted yes.
BLITZER: So, why is there all this confusion
emerging right now? Give me your analysis,
because you had to issue a statement today.
There've been interviews on NPR yesterday
and MSNBC. Tell us what's going on.
PAUL:
Well, first of all, Wolf, I thought I was
supposed to get a honeymoon. When does my
honeymoon start, you know, after my victory?
BLITZER: No such thing in politics, Dr.
Paul.
PAUL:
No such thing, I think you're right. I think
what troubles me is that the news cycle's
gotten out of control. I mean, for several
hours on a major news network yesterday,
they reported repeatedly that I was for
repealing the civil rights act. That is not
only not true, never been my position, but
is an out and out lie. They repeated it all
day long. It started with my Democrat
opponent asserting this but has never been
my position.
BLITZER: You support that -- because the
argument was -- the argument was made that
you support the civil rights act in terms of
federal -- in terms of government
responsibilities. There should be no racism
or segregation, but if there's a private
club or a restaurant where they don't want
to serve African-Americans as abhorrent as
that is, you think that they have -- you
suggested, correct me if I'm wrong, they
would have a right to do that?
PAUL:
What I did suggest was that it was a stain
on the history of the south and our country
that you know we desegregated in 1840 in
Boston. William Lloyd Garrison was up there
with Frederick Douglas being thrown off
trains and going through what happened in
1840 in Boston. So, I think it is a stain on
our history and something that I am sad for
and something that if I had been alive at
the time, I would hope that I would have
been there marching with Martin Luther King.
One of
our biggest county coordinators was there
with Martin Luther King, attended the
rallies in D.C., and considers himself to be
a civil rights activist, and he takes it as
a personal insult that people will say that
our movement doesn't believe in civil
rights.
BLITZER: But I just want to be precise on
this, Dr. Paul. I want to be precise, did
Woolworth Department Store have a right at
their lunch counters to segregate blacks and
whites?
PAUL: I
think that there was an overriding problem
in the south, so big that it did require
federal intervention in the 1960s, and it
stemmed from things that I said, you know,
have been going on really 120 years too
long, and the southern states weren't
correcting it, and I think there was a need
for federal intervention.
BLITZER: All right. So, you clarified you
would have voted yea, you would have voted
yes, in favor of the 1964 civil rights act.
PAUL:
Yes.
BLITZER: Would you also have voted for the
Americans with disabilities act?
PAUL:
Well, I have some questions about it. I
mean, the one question that comes to mind --
to my thinking is, let's say you have a
local office and you have a two-story
office, and one of your workers is
handicapped. Should you not be allowed maybe
to offer them an office on the first floor
or should you be forced to put in a $100,000
elevator? I think that sounds like common
sense that you should be allowed maybe to
give them a first floor office. I think,
sometimes, when we have a federal solution,
we make it one size fits all and that we
recognize the problem which I do all of
someone who's handicapped, but then, we
don't take any consideration at all the
business owner or the property owner. So, I
think it's a balancing act and I'd have to
look at that legislation to see how they
balanced it, but my understanding is that
small business owners were often forced to
put in elevators, and I think you ought to
at least be given a choice can you provide
an opportunity without maybe having to pay
for an elevator?
BLITZER: So, the answer is you don't know
for sure if you would have voted yes or no
on that Americans for disabilities act?
PAUL:
Yes. I mean, I'd have to look at it and see.
I think you do have -- it's a balancing act.
And I am in favor of trying to have the
workplace open. My office is open to the
handicapped. We try very hard, but, you
know, it's been open to the handicapped for
decades, so, you know, it doesn't always
take government for people to do the right
thing. Sometimes, government has to step in
extraordinary circumstances, but I think a
lot of times that the -- the private world
can step up and do the right things or we
can find local solutions over federal
solutions, so it's not always whether you
oppose something.
It's
about where the solution should arrive,
whether it arrives at the federal government
or the local government. I do think, though,
that there is a big civil rights issue out
there. I think the Democrats avoid it, and
that's school choice. I think the biggest
thing holding down our inner city
communities is a lack of good education, and
I say give them a choice. Let them choose to
go to a school anywhere in the city or
outside the city, and so I think school
choice is the civil rights issue of our era,
and many people are saying that.
BLITZER: I want you to have a chance to
differentiate, if you want to differentiate,
with your dad. I've interviewed Congressman
Ron Paul on many occasions, and we've gone
through all of these issues. He's a
principled libertarian, as you well know.
First of all, are you as principled a
libertarian from your perspective as your
dad?
PAUL:
Some will say not. I call myself a
constitutional conservative, which means
that I believe that the constitution does
restrict and restrain the federal
government, and we should be doing a lot
less than what we're doing, and if we did
so, I think we would balance the budget, and
we would have more local and state control.
BLITZER: All right.
PAUL:
So, we'll agree on a lot of issues, and
we'll disagree on some, and there may be
some nuance. But I would say, you know, he
will probably still be the number one
libertarian in the country. I'm probably not
going to supplant him there.
BLITZER: You're not going to be able to
compete because there are four votes, and
I've discussed this with him, himself, in
which the vote was 425-1, 421-1, 424-1, for
example, asking Arab states to acknowledge
genocide in Darfur, asking Vietnam to
release a political prisoner, condemning the
Zimbabwe government, awarding a gold medal
to Rosa Parks, your dad was the only member
on the Democratic and the Republican side to
vote against that because he's a principled
libertarian. He doesn't want the U.S.
government involved in any of these issues.
Are you the same as him?
PAUL:
Probably not. And the thing is, is that he
is incredibly principled, and I admire him
for the stands he's taken. Interestingly,
some of those things, it sounds like how
could anybody be against that? The reason he
votes against it a lot of times is not that
he disagrees with the position. Often, he'll
agree with the position of the resolution,
but just think that the government really
shouldn't be making a statement on some of
these things.
I think
it's yet to be seen how I'll vote on
resolutions, non- binding resolutions, but
I'm probably not going to be the great path
breaker that he is. But I think he stands on
principle, and I think he's well respected
because he doesn't compromise his
principles.
BLITZER: We're going to continue this
conversation. I'm hoping on many occasions,
Dr. Paul. Thanks very much for coming in.
Glad you had a chance --
PAUL:
Thank you.
BLITZER: To explain your positions
precisely. These are, as you well know, as a
novice politician, among the most sensitive
issues out there.
PAUL:
Thank you, Wolf.
BLITZER: Dr. Rand Paul is the Republican
senatorial candidate from Kentucky.
Excerpts from an
article by Brent
Budowsky posted on motherjones.com on 05/10/11
I will give
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) the respect of treating him
as the serious presidential candidate he is. One of
the commenters on my previous Ron Paul Pundit Blog
responded to me suggesting that sometimes I agree
with Dr. Paul, and often I don't, by fairly asking
me on what matters I disagree with him. I gave a
partial answer then, a longer answer here, and
welcome a respectful discussion.
Dr. Paul has said he is a great admirer of Ayn Rand.
So has Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), whose attempt to
destroy Medicare might cost Republicans 30 House
seats. So has former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan,
whose monetary policies, not unrelated to his
admiration for Ayn Rand, did as much as anyone to
cause the financial crash.
Ayn Rand, like Karl Marx, was a strong disbeliever
in the values of organized religion, and Jesus
Christ in particular. Ayn Rand, a fierce and
aggressive critic of President Kennedy, was a
strong disbeliever in the concept of patriotism that
involves sacrifice for others.
At some point there will be a fierce debate on the
right between the proud atheism of Ayn Rand and the
proud faith of the religious right, and all of the
policy differences these views create.
Ayn Rand believed in a Darwinian view of the world,
in a supremely selfish notion of citizenship in
which we are not our brother's keeper, in which her
greatest good involves the most selfish ends.
To be fair, she also attacked parasites in business.
It would be interesting to know what she would think
about Wall Street bonuses to bailed-out bankers. I
suspect she would not have liked them, but I
also know that many of her devotees today have no
objection to them. Why have the Tea Party leaders
been so (hypocritically) silent about the Wall
Street bonuses for bailed-out firms?
Where I disagree with Dr. Paul is this: If
money-center banks all raise credit card interest
rates to levels once considered usury, this is
not capitalism, it is not libertarianism, it is
greed. I would challenge this practice. Dr.
Paul, Rep. Ryan and Chairman Greenspan would not.
I believe the great political divide today is not
left versus right, but those who believe we are in
this together versus those who believe in the
selfish grabbing of as much as they can for
themselves. America is not a nation of the superior
versus the inferior; America is not a nation of
elites who are elite because they are superior to
the rest of us (though by Ayn Rand's standards
I qualify as one of the superior elites, a view I
totally reject).
I agree with Dr. Paul that Fed secrecy is
very wrong. I disagree with Dr. Paul when he opposes
Fed action to stimulate the economy. The problem
with the Fed is that the Fed has pursued gigantic
bailout policies that were entirely top-down,
bailing out bankers at the top and not helping small
businesses, homeowners and American workers.
If a homeowner was cheated on a mortgage, that
homeowner is not inferior. The mortgage issuer who
cheated him or her is not superior, but is a crook.
The role of government is to protect the honest from
the crooks. To say otherwise is not libertarian, it
is supporting the crooks.
The core of Ayn Rand's view, incorporated into many
of the policies of Dr. Paul and certain (but not
all) Tea Party believers, is that the poor are poor
because they are inferior, that workers are jobless
because they are inferior (how many times have Ayn
Rand believers opposed jobless benefits, falsely
believing the jobless would rather have the
benefits than the jobs?).
It is no coincidence that Ayn Rand disciple Alan
Greenspan pursued monetary policies that heaped huge
monies to the top of the Wall Street pyramid without
any meaningful limits or regulation of abuses by
those who received those monies. It is no
coincidence that Rep. Ryan wants to turn Medicare
into a private insurance company, as though private
insurers (his superior player) will best look out
for the healthcare needs of the elderly.
I can respect and in many ways admire Dr. Paul, and
have always tried to treat him fairly in my columns,
but where is his concern for the poor? Where is his
protection of consumers from abuse? Where is Dr.
Paul's concern for American workers whose jobs are
being exported to low-wage nations?
In Ayn Rand's view, in Dr. Paul's view, the magic of
a marketplace that in many regards is mythical, will
let the superior prosper and let those they consider
inferior suffer, even if their suffering is from
corruption of others.
I agree with President Kennedy, who asked what we
could do for our country, and disagree with Ayn
Rand, who asks what we can do only for ourselves and
compared John F. Kennedy's call to patriotism to, in
her words, "fascism.”
Personally I stand with the Sermon on the Mount, the
Golden Rule and John F. Kennedy's inaugural address
and deplore the politics of greed and self-interest
and me-ism that Ayn Rand, and her
disciples, represent.
I can greatly respect Dr. Paul, but on these matters where he follows in the
footsteps of the godless goddess of greed and selfishness I disagree with
Dr. Paul, with Ayn Rand, with Rep. Ryan, with Chairman Greenspan and with
the other modern disciples whose religion is selfishness and whose
America is not what our Founding Fathers intended.
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